Comments on: On The Fence: Freak Out! http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/ It's all about the music Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:13:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Zane http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-6872 Zane Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:02:29 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-6872 <em>Freak Out</em> is a tour de force of comedy, satire, doo wop, social commentary, avant garde, psychedelic sound and good rock and roll. Very, very quirky and grows on you like NOTHING before it or since. This thread kicks ass. Zappa has been sort of a teacher and mentor to me and I like everything he and he kids do. I'm seriously envious of the guy who knew him and his family. I was too young I guess. Think of Valley Girl. A "throw away" single where Zappa's teenage daughter makes brilliant impressions of the way the women in San Fernando Valley talk. It's silly and confusing that that would be his biggest hit BUT listen to the sick, sick bass guitar and drums. Jesus!! Zappa stands for absurd sometimes offensive comedy and virtuosity on the level of Coltrane or The Mahavishnu Orchestra. For the people who don't get it or him it's really okay. YOU ARE DEFINITELY THE MAJORITY. Zappa also represents the the freedom to be freaky which is common today but was treasonous in the sterile late fifites and early sixties when he came of age. He also represents the freedom to be silly and meaningless because, no offense, you just fucking feel like it. Fuck the status quo who want to homogenize people into a plastic obedient dumbed down society. Zappa's intellect was so large and he had Bucky Fuller's 360 degree curiosity about life. He was fiercely interested in recording technology, languages, symphonic music, doo wop, fusion jazz, avant garde jazz, Stravinsky, Varese, the Blues and pop culture. He was also probably second only to Jimi Hendrix in rock guitar technique. Supposedly Hendrix said so himself. Many people find it annoying when someone seems too smart or doesn't talk in a clear straightforward manner but this guy was absolutely free. He could also be obnoxious and silly on purpose. He liked comedy and used it as a weapon and a teacher. When he made fun of himself and released the trilogy <em>Shut Up and Play Your Guitar</em>, <em>Shut Up and Play Your Guitar Some More</em> and <em>Return of The Son of Shut Up and Play Your Guitar</em> in the 1980s he unleashed a guitar technique that will sound futuristic 20s years from now! Indescribable. Far beyond beauty or ugliness. "Canarsie. Where everything looks the same." Sounds like ancient Persia acid. Zappa never drank or did drugs either. That's certainly one for Ripley's. Those who are curious enough about him to read this entire post might benefit greatly from starting with <em>Apostrophe</em> and <em>Overnite Sensation</em> and working your way outwards. By the way those two cds include Jack Bruce from Cream, Tina Turner and the Ikettes, jazz keyboardist George Duke, fusion violinist Jean Luc Ponty and many others. Peace, Zane planetupz@gmail.com Freak Out is a tour de force of comedy, satire, doo wop, social commentary, avant garde, psychedelic sound and good rock and roll. Very, very quirky and grows on you like NOTHING before it or since.

This thread kicks ass. Zappa has been sort of a teacher and mentor to me and I like everything he and he kids do. I’m seriously envious of the guy who knew him and his family. I was too young I guess. Think of Valley Girl. A “throw away” single where Zappa’s teenage daughter makes brilliant impressions of the way the women in San Fernando Valley talk. It’s silly and confusing that that would be his biggest hit BUT listen to the sick, sick bass guitar and drums. Jesus!! Zappa stands for absurd sometimes offensive comedy and virtuosity on the level of Coltrane or The Mahavishnu Orchestra.

For the people who don’t get it or him it’s really okay. YOU ARE DEFINITELY THE MAJORITY. Zappa also represents the the freedom to be freaky which is common today but was treasonous in the sterile late fifites and early sixties when he came of age. He also represents the freedom to be silly and meaningless because, no offense, you just fucking feel like it. Fuck the status quo who want to homogenize people into a plastic obedient dumbed down society.

Zappa’s intellect was so large and he had Bucky Fuller’s 360 degree curiosity about life. He was fiercely interested in recording technology, languages, symphonic music, doo wop, fusion jazz, avant garde jazz, Stravinsky, Varese, the Blues and pop culture. He was also probably second only to Jimi Hendrix in rock guitar technique. Supposedly Hendrix said so himself.

Many people find it annoying when someone seems too smart or doesn’t talk in a clear straightforward manner but this guy was absolutely free. He could also be obnoxious and silly on purpose. He liked comedy and used it as a weapon and a teacher. When he made fun of himself and released the trilogy Shut Up and Play Your Guitar, Shut Up and Play Your Guitar Some More and Return of The Son of Shut Up and Play Your Guitar in the 1980s he unleashed a guitar technique that will sound futuristic 20s years from now! Indescribable. Far beyond beauty or ugliness. “Canarsie. Where everything looks the same.” Sounds like ancient Persia acid. Zappa never drank or did drugs either. That’s certainly one for Ripley’s.

Those who are curious enough about him to read this entire post might benefit greatly from starting with Apostrophe and Overnite Sensation and working your way outwards. By the way those two cds include Jack Bruce from Cream, Tina Turner and the Ikettes, jazz keyboardist George Duke, fusion violinist Jean Luc Ponty and many others.

Peace,

Zane
planetupz@gmail.com

]]> By: autofyrsto http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-6539 autofyrsto Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:42:50 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-6539 Yes, Freak Out! is not one of my all-time favorites. I like "Hungry Freaks, Daddy" and "Trouble Every Day". "Motherly Love" is a classic, but much of the rest on this album I could leave. I really liked the album "We're Only In It For The Money". Yes, Freak Out! is not one of my all-time favorites. I like “Hungry Freaks, Daddy” and “Trouble Every Day”. “Motherly Love” is a classic, but much of the rest on this album I could leave. I really liked the album “We’re Only In It For The Money”.

]]> By: jkg http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5837 jkg Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:10:49 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5837 i cant say ive heard much zappa. but that which i have heard, i didnt "get." i cant say ive heard much zappa. but that which i have heard, i didnt “get.”

]]> By: devil dick http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5835 devil dick Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:41:32 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5835 in a seriousness i wish he would have just shut up and played his guitar.... in a seriousness i wish he would have just shut up and played his guitar….

]]> By: Jimmyjames http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5834 Jimmyjames Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:01:29 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5834 Never got it. Always wished I did. Good insights throughout this post. Thanks. Never got it. Always wished I did. Good insights throughout this post. Thanks.

]]> By: Heavy G http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5833 Heavy G Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:40:38 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5833 I had the pleasure of seeing Frank and band at Pittsburgh's Stanley Theatre in '84. He never sang when he played and MAN he lit the place up. We had first row balcony seats about eye level with 100 pair of panties hanging from the lights. Probably from Catholic girls (with their tiny little moustaches). I had the pleasure of seeing Frank and band at Pittsburgh’s Stanley Theatre in ‘84. He never sang when he played and MAN he lit the place up. We had first row balcony seats about eye level with 100 pair of panties hanging from the lights. Probably from Catholic girls (with their tiny little moustaches).

]]> By: Timmy T "Bust it!" http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5832 Timmy T "Bust it!" Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:18:10 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5832 Voted for Zappa in the 1st presidential election that I was eligible for '88 (Seriously-Bush v. Dukakis, and yes they’ve all been jokes since anyway- you heard me) but I don't remember the last time I heard "Freak Out" or if I even liked it. I guess I never considered that a full on Zappa Album, rather a Mothers album. What’s the diff? I don’t know, it’s just how I thought of it. Sometime you like just what an artist(s) mutates to much more than what they mutated from: Joy Division/New Order, Green River-Mother Love Bone/Mudhoney-Pearl Jam or the reverse Jeff. Airplane/Starship, Pink Floyd/Pink Floyd without Waters, etc. More of a Van Morison with Them vs. Van Morrison kind of deal or like comparing the Silver Beatles/Quarrymen to Rubber Soul. No rock snob, just talkin' shit Anyway . . . I LOVE Apostrophe/Over-Nite Sensation, got the Combo of both on one CD. Give it a listen: "Poodle bites . . . " Serious Jams on: Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar And Craig See turned me on to some of his killer live shit on: Beat the Boots and You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore. PS –Danny is there a 2008 year end review coming? FYI- y’all: Rick Wright died in September, so much for that Floyd reunion I've been praying for. ;( Ramble on Voted for Zappa in the 1st presidential election that I was eligible for ‘88 (Seriously-Bush v. Dukakis, and yes they’ve all been jokes since anyway- you heard me) but I don’t remember the last time I heard “Freak Out” or if I even liked it. I guess I never considered that a full on Zappa Album, rather a Mothers album. What’s the diff? I don’t know, it’s just how I thought of it.

Sometime you like just what an artist(s) mutates to much more than what they mutated from: Joy Division/New Order, Green River-Mother Love Bone/Mudhoney-Pearl Jam or the reverse Jeff. Airplane/Starship, Pink Floyd/Pink Floyd without Waters, etc.

More of a Van Morison with Them vs. Van Morrison kind of deal or like comparing the Silver Beatles/Quarrymen to Rubber Soul.

No rock snob, just talkin’ shit

Anyway . . .

I LOVE Apostrophe/Over-Nite Sensation, got the Combo of both on one CD.

Give it a listen: “Poodle bites . . . ”

Serious Jams on: Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar

And Craig See turned me on to some of his killer live shit on: Beat the Boots and You Can’t Do That on Stage Anymore.

PS –Danny is there a 2008 year end review coming?
FYI- y’all: Rick Wright died in September, so much for that Floyd reunion I’ve been praying for.

;(

Ramble on

]]> By: dkpresents http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5831 dkpresents Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:14:38 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5831 Not a bit. I'm psyched that somebody around here can provide some answers. I second Brendan's recco, and suggest that you read more than just his Zappa posts... Not a bit. I’m psyched that somebody around here can provide some answers.

I second Brendan’s recco, and suggest that you read more than just his Zappa posts…

]]> By: brendan http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5830 brendan Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:51:28 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5830 Rob, if a picture is worth a thousand words, an album must be worth a million. Just absorb the albums, you'll find amazing things in them. I hate to hijack dk's thread, but check out <a href="http://therisingstorm.net/rock/double-zappa/" rel="nofollow">my ongoing series of posts on Zappa</a>. It might serve as a good intro. Rob, if a picture is worth a thousand words, an album must be worth a million. Just absorb the albums, you’ll find amazing things in them.

I hate to hijack dk’s thread, but check out my ongoing series of posts on Zappa. It might serve as a good intro.

]]> By: Rob http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-the-fence-freak-out/#comment-5828 Rob Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:05:17 +0000 http://dkpresents.wordpress.com/?p=5399#comment-5828 OK, so gotta be honest, (at the risk of ridicule) i never got zappa. it was ingrained in me as a child that i "have to love zappa" and "zappa is a god." so like most impressionable kids eager to please i too loved zappa. zappa is a genius. but never really knew why. and not sure i even like most of his music. could a more educated musical mind than mine please explain the nuances of zappa to me. once and for all, i would love to know. OK, so gotta be honest, (at the risk of ridicule) i never got zappa. it was ingrained in me as a child that i “have to love zappa” and “zappa is a god.” so like most impressionable kids eager to please i too loved zappa. zappa is a genius. but never really knew why. and not sure i even like most of his music. could a more educated musical mind than mine please explain the nuances of zappa to me. once and for all, i would love to know.

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